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“Report of the Secretary, Meeting of April 19th, 1935," Subject Files, Box 383, Folder 10 (Roll 184), Records of Mayor Fiorello H. La Guardia, 1934-1945 (New York City Municipal Archives).
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Preparation for the public hearing on April 20
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No secretary's report by Eunice Carter providing an overview of the work of the MCCH staff was found for any week after March 30-April 5. The investigative work being done has to be reconstructed from correspondence in the records of Mayor La Guardia and the Hays Papers, and from reports by James Tartar, the lead investigator for the subcommittee, which are also spread across those two collections.
Roberts announced April 20 as the date of the hearing at the MCCH meeting on April 12. The sources contained no mention of why the interval before the next hearing was two weeks rather than one week as had been the case with the previous hearing. Hays was absent from both the April 12 meeting and the April 19 meeting, so may have been out of town or otherwise committed on April 13.
After learning that the killing of Lloyd Hobbs had been presented to the grand jury on April 10, and dismissed, Hays exchanged letters with District Attorney Dodge about what evidence had been presented. The three eyewitnesses who had testified in the hearing on April 6 had clearly persuaded Hays that the shooting was not justified, as he committed to having the police witnesses testify in a public hearing now that the legal proceeding over and Dodge's instructions about what police officers could say in a public hearing did not prevent that testimony.
McInerney's partner, Patrolman Watterson, and the detective who investigated the shooting, John O'Brien, both appear on a list of eleven police officers in the Hays Papers. That list appears to be officers from which the MCCH wanted to hear testimony and was likely prepared before the April 20 hearing. Tick marks appear next to the four officers who appeared in that hearing, Watterson and O'Brien, Detective McCormick, the stenographer who recorded a statement by Lloyd Hobbs at Harlem Hospital, and Patrolman Kaminsky, who testified about the death of August Miller. Two officers on the list had already appeared at a public hearing: Patrolman Donahue, who had released Lino Rivera, and Patrolman Eppler, who had arrested Frank Wells, but had been unable to testify about that case. The other police officers on the list did not testify in a public hearing. Patrolman Murphy was identified as a witness in the death of Andrew Lyons, and Patrolman MacKenzie, as a witness in the cases of Cornelius, Ford, and Jones. Detective Johnson was the officer who arrested Margaret Mitchell in the Kress store, according to a note from Lieutenant Battle in the Hays papers. There was no annotation about the cases about which the remaining two officers, Patrolmen Havilini and Kinstrey, had evidence.
A document dated April 13 in the records of Mayor La Guardia suggests that a visit to the MCCH by Mrs. Nora Ford, the mother of William Ford, may have been responsible for Patrolman Mackenzie appearing on the list of police witnesses. She came to "lodge a complaint against the police department" related to his arrest by Mackenzie for breaking windows in the Kress store. The document recorded no details of her complaint, nor do any of the records of Ford's arrest and prosecution mention any complaint. There are no records of an investigation of the complaint by the MCCH.
Hays did respond to one other complaint, from Gerald Hamilton on behalf of an unnamed Black woman who had been assaulted by an Italian baker during a dispute over him giving her a counterfeit coin whom the magistrate refused to punish. Hays requested that the woman come to the hearing on April 20.
It appeared that those two complaints were not the only cases of "police brutality" about which the MCCH learned at this time. Villard reported to the MCCH meeting on April 19 that there were "far too many cases" to hold hearings on them all. Neither Nora Ford's complaint nor the one submitted by Hamilton would be part of the hearing on April 20, and were likely among those the subcommittee planned to investigate in some other way (later specified as having lawyers from the Harlem Lawyers' Association investigate). The MCCH had its investigator, James Tartar, gather information about the cases it had identified after the previous hearing.
Tartar's reports record that in this two-week period he interviewed the storekeepers on the block where Lloyd Hobbs was shot, gathered records from the 23rd Precinct about the cases of Thomas Aiken and Edward Laurie, and interviewed Aiken and the aunt of James Thompson, the other Black man known to have been killed by police during the disorder. The interview with Aiken was dated April 19, and the other reports were dated April 20, so may not have been complete before the hearing on that date. Some copies were annotated "Memo to Mr Hays" and dated May 1, suggesting that Eunice Carter compiled them for Hays after the hearing on April 20. In that case, he may not have had this material for the hearing.
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Investigations (April 6-April 19)
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While twenty witnesses had testified at the public hearing on April 6, their testimony did not complete the investigation of the events of March 19 as MCCH members had planned. As a result of Dodge's instructions limiting police testimony, Patrolman McInerney and his partner, Patrolman Watterson, had not testified about the shooting of Lloyd Hobbs. The absence of staff from the Kress store prevented wrapping up testimony about what had happened in the store. In addition, there had been no time to hear testimony on the cases of police brutality about which the MCCH had begun gathering information. With so many of the witnesses asked to attend the April 6 hearing not heard, the next planned hearing that Hays had announced to the MCCH meeting might have been expected to be held the next week, on April 13. However, it did not take place until another week later, on April 20. Dodge’s injunction against police involved in legal proceedings testifying might have been one reason for the delay, which would have allowed the legal process to be completed. Hays may also have not been available to chair the hearing until April 20. He did not attend the MCCH meetings on April 12 and April 19.
Whatever plans Hays had for continuing the investigation of the killing of Lloyd Hobbs, they were disrupted when he read in the press that the district attorney had presented the case to the grand jury on April 10. They decided not to indict Patrolman McInerney. Having listened to the testimony of the eyewitnesses, Hays clearly found that decision surprising. He immediately wrote to the district attorney, asking if those witnesses had testified before the grand jury and who else had given evidence. He told the district attorney he was anxious to have any other witnesses appear in a MCCH hearing to publicly present all the evidence "so that if there was any justification for the shooting, the public may know it." Dodge replied the next day that "the District Attorney's office called every witness who knew anything with reference to this case against McInerney." That list included all those who had testified in the public hearing. Those who had not appeared were Louis Eisenberg, the owner of the store allegedly looted, Detective O’Brien, who had conducted the police investigation of the shooting, and McInerney and Watterson. The MCCH could now hear the testimony of the three police officers, as the grand jury's decision meant that the district attorney’s restriction on officers involved in legal proceedings testifying no longer applied to them.
Tartar also continued to gather information about the killing of Lloyd Hobbs, as well as three other cases about which the MCCH still had to hear testimony. He interviewed the storekeepers on the block where Lloyd Hobbs was shot, gathered records from the 23rd Precinct about the cases of Thomas Aiken and Edward Laurie, and interviewed Aiken and the aunt of James Thompson, the other Black man known to have been killed by police during the disorder.
Adding to the backlog of witnesses, the MCCH learned of additional incidents of police brutality. By the time the MCCH met on April 19, the subcommittee had decided “there were far too many” cases for all of them to be investigated in public hearings, Villard reported. “Some other investigations” would be made of the other cases. (They later approached the Harlem Lawyers Association to take on that task.) For the public hearings, the focus remained the cases that the MCCH had begun investigating the previous week. -
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MCCH Meeting (April 19, 1935)
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The minutes are the only source on the MCCH meeting on April 19, with no newspaper stories reporting it. As Hays was again absent, the work of his subcommittee did not receive the same discussion as the other subcommittees. Oscar Villard reported on his behalf. In deciding the program for the hearing the next day, according to Villard, the subcommittee had decided to focus on only some of the cases of police brutality it had identified "as there were far too many" to hold public hearings on them all. Instead of hearings, the subcommittee "was planning to make some other investigations of these cases."
Those investigations would soon be subject to an additional influence. At this meeting, Hubert Delany announced that he, Carter, and Roberts had selected E. Franklin Frazier, the Howard University sociologist, to conduct the MCCH survey of Harlem. Frazier would begin on May 1, 1935. No explanation for the decision was recorded in the minutes, but Ira Reid, the MCCH's initial choice, may have become entangled in concerns about the influence of the Rosenwald Fund, the white philanthropic organization best known for its support of Black schools in rural areas and fellowships for Black artists, writers, researchers, and intellectuals. The Rosenwald Fund had offered financial assistance to the MCCH, reported as $5,000 in the New York Amsterdam News. Reid had been the Fund's suggestion to lead the survey, according to that story. His previous work for the National Urban League, which had close ties to the Rosenwald Fund, likely contributed to his name being put forward. However, MCCH members decided at this meeting not to accept the fund's offer because, the minutes opaquely recorded, "certain facts were brought out in discussion." Just that week, an article by Loren Miller had appeared in New Masses questioning the influence over Black leaders exerted by the fund's white leadership, claiming that it amounted to the censoring of certain views. Radicals involved in the MCCH hearings saw the offer to the MCCH in those terms, as a bribe to make "an Uncle Tom Report," as the New York World Telegram reported "C. B. Jenkins, a Negro attorney" put it at a later hearing. Evidence that MCCH members had been concerned about that perception was provided by Roberts' answer when the New York Amsterdam News journalist questioned him about the decision to turn down the founding. "The commission does not wish to be subject in any way to any outside influence."